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Ryan Giggs 11
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Arise Sir Ryan.

What's that James, the number of caps Giggs has won for Wales in his glittering international career?

Low blow I know, and I'd never argue Giggs isn't a great player or model pro but sports personality of the year? I suspect he was as embarrassed as everybody else, bar the United fans who voted him into first place.

Not sure why you compare him to Gerrard or Fabregas though as neither were up for the award, though both will be competing on the biggest stage at next summer's World Cup, a testing ground Giggs will never be exposed to, so we'll never know whether he was a just a decent Premiership player or actually a world beater.

Comparing him only to other footballers makes last night's botched ceremony feel even more like a player of the year award, rather than a cross sport accolade.

Just because he hasn't played in the world cup, doesn't mean he is just 'decent', he has easily been more than just 'decent'. George Best didn't play in a World Cup but he certainly was more than decent. A article full of sour grapes, illustrated by the comical inept logic behind it. Giggs put in a top performance against Brazil in one of his last games for Wales, with a few of Brazilians saying that he wouldn't have looked out of place playing for Brazil. Gerrard is a player who has rarely looked good at international level but everyone knows he is a very good player or are you going to say he is just 'decent' just because he hasn't done well on the international stage? Lionel Messi hasn't played well for Argentina so far in his career but everyone knows what a top player he is....but i guess your going to say he is just 'decent'. Enjoy the sour grapes

Er, Ni - didn't I say: "I'd never argue Giggs isn't a great player" but there have to be question marks about whether he's proven himself in the greatest company over the past year (the period the judging is based on).

Furthermore, I also said Sports Personality of The Year is not about comparing footballers against one another, but you seem stuck on comparing him with Gerrard. Gerrard wasn't nominated - so why compare Giggs with him? You're falling in the same trap as James. And it's hugely arrogant of football fans to forget other sports exist.

My point was merely that over the past season there is no one achievement, no moment of undeniable world class brilliance that makes Giggs' case for him. He's been an outstanding player in the Premiership, played his part in United's European failure against Barcelona and as one of the better individuals - but not necessarily the best - in a team sport it's almost impossible to make a case for Giggs being the outstanding British sporting star of the past year.

Bearing in mind Capello's award though and some double standards are clearly apparent in the judging criteria about the importance of reaching a World Cup and competing on the biggest stage. I don't think a friendly against Brazil really counts.

I imagine you're just sticking up for Giggs because you're a fan, and that's great - all credit to you for your loyalty. But that's also the reason they phone vote was so flawed.

I've not heard a single credible defence of Giggs winning the award.

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